ARCHIE : So Tell Me Again Edith... How Is This Spooner Guy Related To The Knapps?

EDITH : He's Not Archie. I Told You That Several Times Before, People Only Think He Is Because Nobody

Has More Stuff About Them Posted Online ....

ARCHIE : Aww Geez ... That's Too Bad You Know....."Cause Some Say I Look Like His Grandpa Jack

MIKE: You Know What Arch? .... The Only Thing I Think That Looks Alike Is This House And The One That Spooner Once Lived In Over In South Ozone Park.

ARCHIE : Aw Meathead...... What Do You Know ......

44 -131 South Ozone Park in 2003

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Yes I still get e mails and inquiries from people that think I must be a Knapp relative. It's been a while since I last issued a disclaimer, but I thought I'd post a few photos and items on here again about some people who were related to the Knapp's and a newly re discovered one of some one else who isn't ......

MEET THE DIXONS CIRCA LATE 1890's

photo : Duke University Archives

This may be the only portrait of the family of author, playright, reverend, politician, actor and more, Thomas Dixon Jr. (1864-1946) alltogether, in existence. They were Knapp neighbors on the west side of NYC in the 1890's. L to R are : Louise, Harriet, Thomas and Jordan. The little fellow in the center is Tommy "Spot" Dixon III (1892 -1953) who also confusingly used Jr.. Longtime childhood friend of Joseph Fairchild "Dodi" Knapp . Tommy who was born 8 days after Dodi was in 1892, would spend some summers in Bellport, Long Island as a Knapp family guest in the early 1900's. His father sold his 2500 acre Mackey Island estate in Currituck, NC to Dodi's father J. P. Knapp in 1919. In 1917 Tommy was a flyer at the Knapp Seaplane Base at Claire & Dodi's Mastic Beach estate. After knowing her for most of his life Tommy married the divorced Claire Knapp Penney about 1943. They seperated soon afterwards, but remained married until he passed away in Los Angeles in 1953. There is more about the Dixon's throughout the website. I wish I had a photo like this of the original Joseph F. Knapp (1832- 1891) family. I'm pretty sure one exists someplace.

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Archibald Graham McIlwaine Jr. aka "Chip" (1895 - 1929) & his son Archie G. McIlwaine III circa 1922

Readers of this website should be no strangers to the name McIlwaine. In 1906 Dodi's father, J. P. Knapp married Archie's mother, Elizabeth McIlwaine and their boys who were three years apart grew up together. "Chip", who's nickname came from his college years as a golf prodigy, was also a Navy flier in WW1 and actually saw combat in France. Dodi Knapp was a usher along with Bill Rockefeller at Chip's high society wedding in 1920 . Chip was playing in a golf tournament in France in 1929 when he was stricken ill and died there from complications of an emergency operation. His son AG III was also a Navy Flier in WW2. He went missing in action in the South Pacific in 1943. This fantastic photo came to me directly from the family of Archie's second son John who was born about a year after this photo was taken.

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GO JOHNNY GO !

Rudder Magazine Feb 1915

That's Second Cousin to Dodi Knapp, John F. Betz III in his speedboat "ADGADIA" in 1915 . Like Dodi Knapp, J F Betz III liked fast boats and big yachts. I don't know if J F Betz III flew planes like his second cousin Dodi did, but he did race automobiles. The Betz family of Germany started making beer here during the Civil War and became multi millionaire brewers operating breweries in NYC, NJ & Philadelphia, Pa. They were related to the Knapps by way of Sylvia Kepner Knapp ( J P's first wife and Dodi & Claire Knapp's mother. Sylvia's mother was Sophia Betz who was the original John F. Betz's sister) Got It ? ...good there's much more about the Betzs and their once very famous Beer located here.

SMALL WORLD DEPT: I found this next item to be of some use here. When I first discovered it in April of 2002, I only saved it because it had something to do with Mastic history and the boat dealer South Bay Marine which was where my 1956 20 HP Mercury Outboard, that I had in 1961 originally came from. I did not know then who the Betz family was or even notice that one of their 60 foot yachts was just a few ads away in the New York Times. It also tells me that John F. Betz III was still sailing along in May of 1950.

AND NOW SPEAKING OF SECOND COUSINS ......

May I Introduce To You My Newly Found Second Cousin

Lt. Col Kathy LaSauce USAF (retired)

THE VERY FIRST WOMAN JET PILOT IN U S AIR FORCE HISTORY

I had known something about Kathy making aviation history since the 1970's, but had not spoken with her since we were kids the 1950's. She is two years younger than me and the last time we saw each other was probably about 1959. It was very memorable for me as she and her sister had climbed over our balcony wall and were walking like a circus performers on tightropes across the two exposed beams above our living room in Mastic Beach, giving my mother a heart attack. Their mother Marie (my father's first cousin) seemed quite calm about it. Kathy had no recollection of it when I called her out of the blue a few weeks ago, but agreed it sounded like something she and her sister would try. Anyway we had a great phone conversation and she told me about this new book she is featured in "Stars Of The Sky .....Legends All" by Ann Cooper that just came out in March this year. I hope to be visiting with Kathy for the first time in almost half a century, when I visit Washington DC the end of this month.

BESIDES BEING THE VERY FIRST WOMAN TO FLY AN AIR FORCE JET

SOME OF HER AIR FORCE CAREER HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE

3000 HOURS FLYING A C -141 STARLIFTER

I recall seeing a newspaper photo back in the '70's of Kathy at the controls of one of these

FIRST TO FLY A NORTHROP T-38

BECOMING AN AIR FORCE FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR

EARNING A MASTERS DEGREE IN AERONAUTICAL SCIENCE

BEING THE FIRST WOMAN PILOT CHOSEN TO FLY WITH THE 89th MILITARY AIRLIFT WING
AT ANDREWS AIRFORCE BASE WHERE SHE BECAME DEPUTY COMMANDER

THE "VC-135" .... LOOK FAMILIAR? .... IT SHOULD

This wing is responsible for flying Air Force 1, Air Force 2 and providing air transportation for Congress and visting dignataries. While there during the Reagan - Bush years she brought her parents aboard Air Force -1 (her Dad was a Navy WW2 Vet), and she met Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and France's President Mitterand, The Gorbachevs of Russia

When Ronald Reagan left office to go home to Califonia in Jan of 1989 he gave Kathy ....

"His very last salute and a wink!"

Not In The Book But Something I Know Because I Saw It On TV A Few Times Was A Commercial She Did For No Nonsense Stockings

"Nothing Beats A Great Pair Of Legs" In Which She Climbed Into A Jet Fighter Cockpit Wearing A Short Skirt

This Was After She Retired From The Air Force Of Course

UPDATE

On Saturday April 26, 2008 I had the pleasure of seeing Kathy again for the first time in about 50 years! We caught up with each others lives at a lunch in Old Town, Alexandria,Va. on the banks of the Potomac. It was great to see her and it was also the first time she herself had seen the book. One of the stories she told me about that is not in the book was piloting the first very USAF plane to ever land in Hanoi. She was there to fly our POW's and wounded vets home.

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And with that may I leave you with a little joke in an old book from 1945 I just got a copy of. The book is written by Bennett Cerf ( his father was a Lithographer btw, and Bennett was co founder of Random House Publishing ...... some may recall he used to be a panelist on TV's What's My Line ).... Anyway I'm sure Archie Bunker would like the joke .....

HOME JAMES !