A PENNEY

or Two or Three

FOR YOUR THOUGHTS

updated January 2005

 

Grace E. Penney

1930's

Looking a tad like a young Sandra Bullock we have a Moriches School (the little one by twin ponds) Pic of the youngest (?) daughter as of 1930 of

Charles E. Penney 1887-19__ and GRACE POST PENNEY 1889-19__

Charles & Grace Penney had three daughters that i know of

Alice G. born about 1915, Claire E. born about 1917, and Grace E. born 1921

IN THE 1920 census the pennys were living on Grove Avenue in Patchogue and
Charles was working as a grocery salesman for grand union co.

 

1929 PHONE DIRECTORY

How Charles was related to Merritt Cash Penney & Family I Am Not Clear On .....

BUT HE WAS

ACCORDING TO BOTH CLARENCE PENNEY'S son Arthur & Lloyd Penney's son Roland

THE PENNEY FAMILY GENEALOGY IN THE EASTERN LONG ISLAND AREA IS VERY DIFFICULT
TO SORT OUT BECAUSE OF THE USE & MISUSE OF THE LETTER


E

Add it or Subtract by Mistake and you are talking about an entirely different PENNEY / PENNY family

Case in Point :

Here Is Merritt Cash Penney & His Family In 1910

Adeline his wife and their three sons 22 year old Leonard, 25 year old Clarence who is listed as married (but theres no sign of Edith Ross Penney?) & little WILLIS Oliver who is only 12. Notice the census taker does not have the E in the name and to further complicate things for guys like me, His P looks like a B ! "Oh Mister Benny" YES ROCHESTER.....Merritt, Leonard and Willis is mispelled etc. Things are tough all over .....

HOWEVER THAT SAID CHARLES E. PENNEY IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME FOR THIS REASON ....
THE PLACE HE LIVED & THE POSITION HE HELD IN THE 1930 CENSUS

 

THE LOCATION : MASTIC BEACH

THE OCCUPATION : SUPERINTENDANT OF A PRIVATE ESTATE

Now long before I saw this document, I was told by a reliable source that back when Clarence Penney was hired by the Knapps to build their 9 hole golf course, that another "Penney relative" named Charles was managing the Knapp estate. That seems to hold true in light of this census form here & it is further supported by the family that is enumerated next who I know for a fact were the final main caretakers for Joseph F. Knapp aka Dodi. At the time Willie is listed as a laborer on a private estate. 97% of the folks listed on this first census taken in Mastic Beach are employed on private estates.

William & Johana Schluder

Willie & Honey Schluder & Friend ( A Golden Retriever?)

PHOTO COURTESY OF GRETA TUCKER TAKEN DEC 31st NEW YEARS EVE AT PAUL SCHULTE'S TAVERN CIRCA 1940

If indeed it was 1940, then their former place of employment was being signed over Home Guardian Co. probably just before they ate. And by examing the documents I now have, it does not appear that the person doing the signing was the person(s) whose actual names are on that deed as party of the first part and witness, not that it matters anymore, as all parties and property are all ashes now. So Willie, Honey et all Enjoy Yourselves.....I'm sure they did after all they were at Paul's!

I wonder where Dodi & Marion were that night?

TO SEE ENTIRE PHOTO CLICK HERE

 

So the point of all this is ?

Because the census is only issued every decade I do not know how long Charles E. Penney was the Knapp's superintendant. Grace looks to be about 10 or 11 in the school pic. I know from Mrs,Estelle Schulz that Willie was in charge by the late 1930's . Well Willie & Honey Schluder had No Children, Nor Did Dodi & Marion. And although the Schluders lived in town for many years (at least 20 after Dodi & Marion did), It seems no one left standing in Mastic Beach other than Mrs. Estelle Schulz can recall them being involved with the Knapps. However Charles & Grace E. Penney had at least three daughters that lived on the Knapp Estate most likely in the house that now sits behind Schulte's Stable, in town. And it's plausable that one or more Grace? could still be with us. Its also highly reasonable to expect at least one of the three or hopefully all of the three went forth and delivered Penneys from Heaven. In any event, it will be nice to find out what happened to them. If the youngest, Grace is still living in 2003, she would be about 83 years old, with Claire being 86 and God Bless Alice if shes still around, she would 88. Alice btw is named for Charles' mother Alice Rogers.

So If You Dear Reader Out There Know Of Anything About These Penney Girls or Their Mother and Father

E MAIL AWAY

And here's a little song to compose your E mail to

by THE "SKYLINERS"

mp3audio file

For what it's worth to those out there who may know something but just are "too busy" to write or whatever, Take a look at Willy Schluder's Barn. It was probably around 75 years old when Knapp bought the estate in 1916. When I first took a photo of it for this Knapp nonsense in March of 2001, all four walls were still up as was most of the roof

 

Closing The Barn Door After The Horse Has Run Away

In This Pic I Took In January of 2003, The Only Thing Left Standing Is The Front Wall !

OCTOBER 2003 WITHOUT A TRACE ......

 

MEANWHILE THIS ALSO SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLACE TO CONSOLIDATE

A LOT OF THE INFO I HAVE ON


MERRITT CASH PENNEY & FAMILY

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